Why The Logan Paul Pokemon 1st Edition Base Case Likely Isn't Authentic - Episode 1

If youre a Pokémon investor with 6 boxes would you really sell the case and remove all of your exposure or would you slowly sell off the boxes?

LEGEND! People criticized and attacked him for giving his opinion on why he thought this box was fake and he was right. 😬

OMG YOU CALLED IT!! Nice job! I hope this helps your channel explode! Best wishes!

This aged well

This man deserves a medal for his detective work. He brought all this to light 2 weeks ago and people were doubting him. Much respect my dude ✊

When a IDclipsr can verify the authenticity of something just by looking at a picture of it better than a renowned card authentication business can who has it in there hands.. that’s a problem. Amazing work!

You're a legend. Great detective work. Thorough and objective reporting! Doing the LORD'S work!

I'm not even interested in Pokémon, but damn does Rattle deserve more subs than he currently has. Rattle is a common sense genius. Which in today's world isn't that common.

Definitely a lot of sus in all of this. I'd trust a sagely old man in an old house selling that box before I trust an eBay seller on an item of that magnitude

Been watching through this and your other videos related to Logan's box. Amazing research! All the pictures and receipts, right there. Great job, Rattle!

Honestly 6 boxes of gi joe for 3.5 mil is a steal. Was a happy ending after all lol

This man deserves a medal for his detective work. He brought all this to light 2 weeks ago and people were doubting him. Much respect my dude ✊

The fact that he didn't want to meet and let the person open the case is the biggest red flag of them all.

Its funny how they act like "this is the first Pokémon item ever wrapped" is a good thing. Everything they said screamed "we've never seen a case. We have no idea what its supposed to look like. We have no idea what we are doing!"

This is my first time watching this #1 so I know what happens. This would be funny if it wasn't so effed up and tragic!

Easy sub, thank you for the content. Would be interesting to see it opened up and confirmed. If I were buying, I would rather pay a premium to have it opened up and authenticated by Leon, King Pokémon, Rev, or TCA tbh. Don’t think it would lose value if it were opened up and authenticated that way if it ended up being real.

Although I am not into Pokémon and just wanted to see how Logan Paul got scammed. Even though I have not watched any of your other videos I can tell your an awesome content creator and the Pokémon community is lucky to have someone like you. You’re detective skills were on point. You’re so underrated! You’ve earned a sub from me and wish you the best with your channel!

Great work mate and well put together video . I am not an expert in this field but bearing in mind anyone with the means to buy this case in the first place must have some knowledge in the Pokemon field. How did so many people sell this on and even buy this in the first place given all the red flags which are jumping out at you. It's ridiculous, straight up fraud. Furthermore, how did a TC company verify this with their stamp of approval. If they actually did their job and looked into this like you have done they would clearly see how this a scam. How does an old cardboard box even = certified pokemon first edition content inside also? crazy.

Just watching this series, really good and detailed! Well done

Found your channel through this investigation. Not a collector myself but you rocked it with reasonable analysis and excellent follow-up sleuthing. Cheers on the vindication

That eBay listing was so sketchy; so many red flags. Good call that it was a fraud, well done!

I love these informative videos. It's wild that that baseball card company seemingly didn't try to track the box's origins at all? Like, maybe I'm an idiot, but I thought the big fuck-off ID numbers on the box were supposed to convey information.

this guy deserves more subs......he spoke up when no one else did.

Dude solved this scam at home doing research when these big shot authenticator's didn't have a clue what they were doing Kudos to Rattle Pokemon

Holy crap you were right. What does this say about all of these Pokemon "experts"?

It’s incredible the amount of twists and turns there are and I have the advantage of finding all this out and knowing the results first. I have no idea how you pieced all this together while others were actively trying to scrub the info

I owned 3 original 1st ed boxes years ago. Never owned a case. I've also sold high-end cards previously on ebay. A few comments... we have seen restocking fees on ebay -- some sellers were still allowed to charge it, and other sellers have questioned ebay customer service how that happens. But, it's never a low-volume seller like that one. Also, while I agree that most sellers would prefer to have the cards picked up directly, there was actually a discussion on the community boards about whether that was wise. There was an incident where the person picked up, but without a third-party carrier to make the delivery, there was no proof the item was handed directly to the actual buyer. I think there may be a QR code now that can be scanned at the point of exchange, but I don't know for sure if that is in place and if it works. Just wanted to help with that info.

Fucking legend !!! This story will be told from generation to generations to come . Pokemon Legends of Rattle

Thanks for covering up the whole process, tracing it back to its origin, well done! It looks like a picturebook-story of how to turn something fishy into something "trustworthy"aka "authenticated". The original seller seems really sketchy...I'm sure that case is fake. Maybe we'll see a new boxfight next year: Logan Paul vs. number1pokemonmaster...

I met the guy who sold this Pokemon first edition box to the guy who sold it to Logan Paul at the Collect-A-Con in Dallas. He sold a first edition Charizard to SashaT the sports card collector. The guy gave me bad vibes when I met him like something was just not right about him... I really hope Logan figures this all out! Btw I would reach out to SashaT he might be able to help bring more clarity to this seeing as he did business with them as well. Good luck!

If it was at an estate sale I'm pretty sure for tax purposes you have to list the items being sold and their estimated values... I doubt this box would've been laying under a table with a bunch of other Pokemon cards not to mention the family didn't open it to make sure it wasn't something important of his they might wanna keep? Nah I don't believe this at all I wanna see an obituary for the dead grandson and a listing for the estate sale itself.

Tells me that no one did any digging on verifying this box was legit but just purchased because they had the money to do so even if it meant losing. Good work dude!

Is it 100% fact that bbce did not open the case, see the boxes with their own eyes, then re-wrap the box as Authenticated? Thats what most people, including myself, I believe thought happened. But if they didn’t open it and just wrapped over the “stop” wrap, then yeah that doesn’t say a whole lot.

You had me 1000% convinced this was fake and sure enough it was. Well done for calling it. 👏

Amazing call on the box being fake. You'd think as rich as logan is he'd have someone with even a little experience either be in his ear or even try to track down previous sellers. Great Video!

Awesome work. 👌 Thank you for this clear example of how to deduce truth from hype. Thank you!

You changed the Pokémon world great advice and content 👌

You nailed this, even your follow-up videos are perfect

Baseball card exchange is the #1 authenticator of sealed boxes in the sports card world. I'm still with you on it likely being a repack scam, just giving context since you aren't familiar with them

Your a fucking hero !!! We need more people like you !!! Thank you for helping this world!!

The first red flag that I said before is that you will hardly find cases like that and being at that age. Nobody would had kept something that long in a warehouse

Coffee Zilla would be proud.... love your vids man this has to take a lot of work digging up the seedy underworld of Pokémon...but someone has to do it.... but I thought the opened it and authenticated the box the wrapped it..... so technically not sealed sealed.... but basically like VGA “qualified” where it was sealed but they opted it to authenticate it.....

I feel bad, out there is some poor kid thinking he got 6 G.I. Joe boxes but they had pokemon cards inside :(

Now I get why someone asked how I got my Aquapolis pack when I sold it.
I see the importance of the chain now.

Hear you earned yourself a case of prime from this one 😆 good stuff man

Props to you for finding all of this! 👏

Those eBay terms and conditions actually do apply. One time I sold a computer and the customer said it was broken and filed a case on me. In the case she said she had gone to a repair shop and had the computer opened and looked at. Even though the computer most likely got damaged during shipping eBay did not give my buyer a refund because the item would be returned in a condition it was not sent in.

Another great insight into the shambles of what Pokemon has to offer 😂🙈 interesting though! Want to find out if Logan rips it now 👀

I sure hope he didn’t grab the case from silly ol’ collectibles guru 😆 but seriously, I’m not sure this box you’re displaying is the same that Logan bought but as a buyer I would want a personal deal done. It avoids fees, get a hands on deal with what you’re getting and I would immediately open the sealed case to ensure that all is legit inside. Screw the case in my opinion, I can easily replace that. The boxes however, the legitimacy matters more and I would be extremely aware of this entire situation because it involves BIG money. This is a huge transaction and it’s to be treated in a professional manner.

This video is great for any eBay transaction in general. I will tell you, in order to avoid any issues with sellers trying to scam, ALWAYS video record your package openings. It has saved me several times from sellers trying to claim they can't have an item returned or refunded.

In all honesty this couldn't have happened to a better person, Logan wasn't going to be losing money on this regardless of what was going to happen because the money exchanged for this was all probably out of his IDclips budget and the attention he's got from it along with the views has most likely already made up for it.
Imagine if this happened to someone who was actually risking something on it instead? Imagine if it got sold off another 2 or 3 times and then got to someone who actually needed the money from it only to get a big egg in their face. Sometimes good things happen in the weirdest ways.
On a separate note, to anyone wondering Logan has already gotten his money back from the direct seller so not only did he make money back from this he also made money on the whole experience as well, the man stays winning and honestly good for him.

If you are a top rated seller & accept returns you can choose to give a partial refund (or in theory charge a restocking fee) however, you can’t do that with a 15 feedback account

Interesting situation all around ! Thank you for doing more research into this !

I just realized the amount of damage this can do to the hobby.
Because this is basically seen everywhere just prompting more scammers.

You sir, are a genius. Props on calling it

If youre a Pokémon investor with 6 boxes would you really sell the case and remove all of your exposure or would you slowly sell off the boxes?

Idk who this guy is but he nailed every single thing 100% beforehand. Only thing he didnt basically predict was the fact they'd be GI Joe cards lol

In the history of the world! This is crazy... interesting to see how this turns out. I'm sure if it is fake Logan will make 5m on the stream so it won't really matter.

Whelp I will concur that my old case tag did fade and that my stop tape does look different then Paul’s tho mines isn’t as old obviously I do see the difference and I would like to look at Paul’s up close to confirm if it is indeed smudged which really would be impossible lol and measure the distance from stop to the signs..god I hope he didn’t just blow 3 mill

U were right!!!! Props to you for finding all of this! 👏

Has anyone considered that this box could be one of those infamous changed 1st ed packaging -- the ones with the black triangle 🔺️ over-stamp? If this was one of the factories that still had 1st ed artwork on boxes and/or packs, and needed to alter it when changing over to unlimited, they may have labeled the box differently. Of course, the cards, themselves, would not be 1st eds then, but at least those black triangle packs are so rare.
Then, there's the unlikely but possible situation that given there were multiple factories, no one knows if the other factory may have labeled their boxes slightly differently. I used to write articles about pokemon back then, and WotC told me there were multiple factories to handle the volume, and that artwork on everything from packs and boxes to the actual cards was not always in sync, and that changes made at one place were not always implemented simultaneously elsewhere.
Of course, it could just be unlimited or a total scam, but people didn't believe there were real prototype cards until recently when a former WotC employee confirmed it.

PLOT TWIST! Rattle sold the box on eBay and he is the real mastermind! Only makes sense why he’s so informed.

He needs to take them out and get each box re-authenticated then seal it back up in a new case

G.I. Rattle righteously servicing the community! I salute you sir!

LEGEND! People criticized and attacked him for giving his opinion on why he thought this box was fake and he was right. 😬

So easy to pass when the seller can’t even write a description without butchering grammar and spelling. You can kinda tell what kind of person wrote this based on how the words are arranged.

You did a better job of authenticating an item you saw in a video, than the expert authenticator did while actually holding it in their hands.

Not interested at all in Pokemon cards, the market or Logan somehow. But noticed a news item in the Netherlands that stated that Logan purchased a probably faked package for 3.5M dollar and there was a link to your YT-channel. I can say that I should be doing some work, but I love these kind of investigations! Watched it completely with full interested on how you proceed this and what steps you take. It's crazy how anyone actually believes it is real. Keep up the good work! Probably not going to give a sub, as the other content doesnt interest me. But I'll be watching the rest of these episodes for sure!

Isn't there technology to look into the package? Like Xray, Spectroscopy etc. that could help? It's probably as cheap as everything else surrounding this thing so those could be enough to discover the dirty laundry in there.😂

Congrats bro you were right!! The cards were fake 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Logan lost 3.5 million dollars and I hope the wrong do-ers get their asses in alot of trouble!!

Your observation was just proven correct l, it’s insane! Makes it hard to trust anything within the Pokémon sellers community now :(

Awesome stuff man. I really want Logan to open it now.

Some very good detective work and worth every view. 👏 👏 👏

Great video! Thanks for bringing this to light!

Holy crap you were right. What does this say about all of these Pokemon "experts"?

Good call! Your channel deserves to blow up after this!

At 7:24 it looks like some of the ink on the table got on to the label. Maybe the seller was trying to make it look older than it is? Or was very careless?

Spot on dude, a theory (not mine) on how they were able to make the box, stickers, and tape look aged the same is lightly mist entire box with water. Then put it in a food dehydrator for a day or something, that's why the plastic wrapping on the actual pokemon boxes was bubbled and color on the Pokemon box faded.

Wow, just the length of that estate sale story is enough to make me think it's a scam.

The number 1 red flag is the estate sale - it was her grandson’s box? What child has a sealed case of Pokémon cards? Also people say it’s their grandpas or grandmas item they passed. We’re having an estate sale. Not the grandchild lol.
But my dad got me into collecting. He kept sealed boxes - I obviously did not. I was the only kid who even put their sports and Pokémon’s cards in sleeves and toploaders and didn’t play with them. I didn’t have the strength to keep a sealed pack much less a sealed box.
Although I did recently sell some sealed packs of first edition Japanese yugioh cards - never knew what they were. Couldn’t read Japanese. No point in opening them

Bro as i said, NOBODY makes content like you do. Your shit is FIRE!!! Im literally going to drop your name everywhere brother. I LOVE how you go deeeeep into scenarios. Keep doing the THING!!!

Right on man.... Everyone we need to get this guy to 5 million subscribers

Amazing work your work is appreciated!!

Maybe if he had hired rattle to authenticate his cards instead.. He would still have his money.

Can't believe you called it! You sir are a wizard.

Remember back in school when you didn't do your homework so you came up with a hugely detailed, ridiculous story to make it seem real? That's what the seller's first story seems like 😅

Plot twist: The GI Joe packs are actually re-sealed and do truly contain the 1st edition Pokémon cards!

3.5 million for a bunch of GI Joe cards is insane.

In hind sight. After watching mellypops video about the purchase and seeing how Jacob sound when selling something it sounds very similar to the type of verbiage the original sellers eBay listing used.

Makes zero sense why you wouldn’t go to a reputable auction service and get the full value minus fees…. Plus they’d Authenticate it. I saw leonhart authenticate his booster box by having it opened… why would it lose value if its opened to confirm the contents.

The fact that they hinted that they know how rare a booster box is (which hints that they know the true value of a base set 1st ed) and still accepted the $72k bid says something

The sound of your voice is so soothing. It’s a great compliment to the inherent rage upon discovery of fraud . I hope u make a million dollars on this video

For this amount of money id fly to the guy who's selling it and say if its ok I'll pay you as soon as its verified authentic upon opening it

After all of this, Logan might pull a scummy move and keep it sealed and try to sell it for more then what he paid saying it's 100% legit.

Correction: You can actually charge restocking fee’s on eBay.

Oh you know what sucks to is that Logan did that first Ed give away on Christmas. He probably only did that because he factored that he had a case of them but he may of not opened one if he didn’t have that case.

Pokemon and Magic the Gathering TCG's, bringing out the most toxic, greed driven behavior, for over 30 years.

Im coming back to this video today for a long car ride. Dont they make like fine óptic wires as small as a needle with cameras they could poke the smallest hole and actually get eyes inside, withought breaking any kind of seals for situation like this when theres doubt of the content of a sealed Item? Just a thought.

Great video. I love internet detectives!!

In Rattle We Trust!!!