5 Great Doctor Who Villains to NEVER Bring Back

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  • There have been amazing villains on Doctor Who, and some of them should never come back.
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  • dds007
    dds007 10 hari yang lalu

    Interesting how all these Villans are Tenant era villains!

  • Katori Files
    Katori Files 14 hari yang lalu

    The only way I can imagine Sister of Mine coming back is if the Doctor decides to free her and we go through a Boom Town-esque morality-based episode. If anyone has any better ideas I’d love to hear em

  • Elijah Ford
    Elijah Ford 23 hari yang lalu

    Yup. I called it

  • Psy Kosh
    Psy Kosh 29 hari yang lalu

    Could play with the beast in a different way: Distant distant distant _DISTANT_ future when the black hole evaporates and the information content the black hole swallowed has been fully released (in scrambled form), the beasts esoteric nature allows it to unscramble sufficiently to meaningfully exist again in some sense.

    Time travel being a thing of at least some relevance to the show (wink), stuff ends up happening.

    Another way to make it relevant again: Explore why it wasn't just dumped in the black hole in the first place, why it was kept suspended with a setup that makes it fall in only if it tries to escape. Have some sort of negative consequence to it being black holed.

    Re the midnight entity: You said you can't repeat the scenario because that's just repeating... but from a certain perspective, that's exactly appropriate appropriate in the case of the midnight entity. ;)

  • Ay_dree_n
    Ay_dree_n Bulan Yang lalu

    I think the weeping angels would have been better as a one and done thing. Blink is such a great episode, and while I do like some of the others, it's not quite the same. The mystery of that first one was perfectly done, and they're not really scary after that.

  • Josh-Owen Whitehead
    Josh-Owen Whitehead Bulan Yang lalu

    a possibility that could work to bring back the beast in such a way is devoting build up. a series or 2 which just tease him. but to tease him being that he is apart of the TARDIS and he is also in connection with the government of angels in class...But do the government of angels as right. in a way which captures the horror of blink. but tease there still something lurking. having the beast return in full form and power, showing it to be Universe ending and successful at that. devoting a series to it. But having the beast win. The second half of the series will take place in the universe with the meta crisis doctor and the doctor will have to come to terms that he/she lost completely lost and don't at all divert mystery form the beast.

  • Hope Cartwright
    Hope Cartwright Bulan Yang lalu

    I want the Judoon to come back because I adore the idiot justice rhinos

  • Ower8x
    Ower8x 2 bulan yang lalu

    According to the set up ... the Vashta Nerada are present on most planet even Earth but normally the number is small and they are in remote locations .... what they could do is have them be a obstacle for a story ... during which the doctor is separated from companions and they end up in a location where the Vashta are and they have to work on what ever they are and work around the Vashta as well....

  • Emilio Valdovinos
    Emilio Valdovinos 2 bulan yang lalu

    In the episode they said the vashta nerada were everywhere on every planet. Feeding off road kill. And dead things. And the doctor said sometimes people never come out of the dark. So clearly they are still there. Any planet that the doctor and co. Have gone to after that episode has the vashta nerada. If they can’t come back as a main threat it would be cool for them to be mentioned again or shown for a bit.

  • PhantomAngelofMusic
    PhantomAngelofMusic 2 bulan yang lalu

    Hi! So, I got a quick gripe about your little rant on the Vashta Nerada. The Doctor does say something, (I don't remember the exact quote, and I'm on a crappy phone so I can't be buggered to look it up, sorry.) along the lines of, "every shadow that has ever spooked a child in the night, every shimmering shade out of the corner of your eye, that's them, that's the Vashta Nerada. Every culture throughout time has stories of the things that go bump in the night, and it's all based on these things." So we know that they can be any time, any where, and I would say, finding one, or maybe a couple, terrorizing a kid or kids, slipping back into the shadows, people, (presumably some adults who don't listen) go missing, show up as skeles later and the shadows playing cat and mouse with the doctor would work. Especially, if it were written from the perspective of the child or children, where we see very little of either the Vashta Nerada OR the Doctor until the end.

  • Keri Toodle
    Keri Toodle 3 bulan yang lalu

    Possibly the Azorbaloff

  • William Caldwell
    William Caldwell 3 bulan yang lalu

    Weeping angels should have been left at one appearance.

  • ATB 66
    ATB 66 3 bulan yang lalu

    Hi Nathaniel. Just watched this video. Is it a coincidence that every one the villains on your list is from the Tenant era?

    • ATB 66
      ATB 66 3 bulan yang lalu

      @Council of GeeksPerhaps its not simply the villains / monsters that can't be done again. Perhaps its because they were done so perfectly the first time you wouldn't want the risk of anything spoiling that perfect episode or story? The best example of this is the Weeping Angels. They were fine when they came back, but they could never be done as well (or at least they weren't done as well) as in Blink. And perhaps the reason all your examples are from the Tennant era is because you had the perfect storm of excellent showrunner, the best Doctor actor and some great writers - Moffat included - that thats where you find most examples of perfect episodes / stories.

    • Council of Geeks
      Council of Geeks  3 bulan yang lalu

      Actually yeah, or at least there was no intention behind it on my part.

  • JWille Series
    JWille Series 3 bulan yang lalu

    She could otherwise have aged inside the mirror ;)

  • Faron Smith
    Faron Smith 3 bulan yang lalu

    Why are they all David Tennant?

  • Williamus Rex
    Williamus Rex 3 bulan yang lalu

    Boring.

  • HIYGamer
    HIYGamer 4 bulan yang lalu

    The only possible option I can think of with the Vashta Nerada (sorry for the likely butchered spelling), would be to do something like have them get loose in the Tardis.

  • Roderic Kingfield
    Roderic Kingfield 4 bulan yang lalu

    Mysteries without room for speculation are shallow mysteries. My all time favourite Stargate episode is The Fifth Race, because it massively expanded on existing lore. In particular it expanded on lore created by the Season 1 episode, The Torment of Tentallus. If they had just left it there and never expanded on any of it it would have been massively disappointing. Lore has to be expanded on occasionally in order to be interesting. If done well answers will always bring more questions.

    So, I strongly disagree about the beast and the Midnight entity. I can understand not bringing the beast back, but perhaps there are others of his kind. One idea I have is that maybe there's an ancient race even older than the Time Lords (that's no longer around) that once fought these god-like entities. I think it would fit great as a season finale (with foreshadowing every episode of the season).

  • joseph Buckley
    joseph Buckley 4 bulan yang lalu

    I kind of want to see a new who version of omega but I have no idea how the original story ended so it could be impossible

    • Council of Geeks
      Council of Geeks  4 bulan yang lalu

      Big Finish found ways to bring him back in events set after his last appearance on the show. So can New Who.

  • Deborah LePage
    Deborah LePage 4 bulan yang lalu

    The Doctor said when facing them the only option was to run.
    Nothing to be done there. If the Doctor ever touched them, don't interact, leave something for their trees to grow on the planet where the library is.

  • Cameron Heaton
    Cameron Heaton 4 bulan yang lalu

    I got an idea for the Vashta Nerada, what if they are to help the doctor a threat so large they need to team up.

  • Jonas Prettenthaler
    Jonas Prettenthaler 4 bulan yang lalu

    I still hope that the Family of Blood comes back and fight against an injured 13th doctor... or something like that.

  • Matt Henderson
    Matt Henderson 4 bulan yang lalu

    Your right don't bring back the flood like if i'm correct

  • CookieMastah
    CookieMastah 5 bulan yang lalu +1

    I think Zombie Water Ice Warriors would be awesome

  • ST 2004
    ST 2004 5 bulan yang lalu

    Flood: they end up on some sort of spacecraft that used the ice layer to obtain water. The flood then breaks out in the ship

  • James Holbrook
    James Holbrook 5 bulan yang lalu

    Is he wearing lipstick?

  • TheExplodingBacon
    TheExplodingBacon 5 bulan yang lalu

    How disappointing would it be if the Midnight entity was refereed to as Jeff in the script?

  • Chilly Lion
    Chilly Lion 6 bulan yang lalu

    We kind of know what midnight entity wants it wants to learn

  • randomness 234
    randomness 234 6 bulan yang lalu

    tbh. i never thought any od these would or every could make a return. especially the midnight entity

  • Gray Scribe
    Gray Scribe 6 bulan yang lalu

    Just an addendum why the Beast should not return.
    The impossible planet was build to be the Beast's prison and trap should it escape by someone who knew what the Beast was and what it could do. By itself it should be impossible for the Beast to survive this on it's own. And if someone interferes and rescues the Beast, well, the Beast becomes a secondary villain.
    And if free, you probably have to explain what the Beast really is and you probably would have to bring in the being(s) that fought, beat and trapped the Beast. Which would destroy two great misteries at once.

  • charlie hayes
    charlie hayes 6 bulan yang lalu

    The hath should be back for a one time episode, very underrated species

  • Abi Animates
    Abi Animates 6 bulan yang lalu +2

    Well, in silence in the library, the doctor mentioned that there are some of the vashta nerada on earth, the writers could toy with that idea.

  • SuperNerd Fan676
    SuperNerd Fan676 6 bulan yang lalu

    What about the reapers ????

  • Ryan Hindley
    Ryan Hindley 6 bulan yang lalu +4

    Davros should have been a one time villain. Character peaked with Genesis

  • RubyBfdi
    RubyBfdi 6 bulan yang lalu +1

    they should bring back the vashta nerada. they are awesome.

  • Anon ymus
    Anon ymus 7 bulan yang lalu

    Someone could weaponize Vashta Nerada. Or have them as secondary antagonist. Even a minor threat can be hugely escalated by their presence. In my opinion Dr Who needs more minor villains, that are way in over their head, and this could be perfect scenario for that.

  • Jobn Ttv
    Jobn Ttv 7 bulan yang lalu

    Geecs

  • Jessie Wessie
    Jessie Wessie 7 bulan yang lalu

    Completely agree with this list, these villains were so unique and scary that they stand alone in their own right that to bring them back in a different setting or time wouldn't work. Plus it would ruin the impact of their presence and agenda had in their initial episodes.
    The family of Blood are one of my absolute favourites (son of mine was the best) but it's the air of mystery of all of the villains listed here that makes them so memorable and threatening.

  • Raymond Jerome
    Raymond Jerome 7 bulan yang lalu

    isn't the Beast kind of on/in all planets? wasn't there one on Earth in a Torchwood episode

  • Joan Pringle
    Joan Pringle 7 bulan yang lalu +1

    My pick would be the Mummy on the Orient Express. Though that episode did explain what the mummy was and wrapped up the story, the mummy should be left alone but I would like to know what attacked the train.

  • CloseRaincloud 5
    CloseRaincloud 5 7 bulan yang lalu +1

    It's really strange hearing someone talk about the flood in a non-Halo context 😂😂

  • The Wilk Report
    The Wilk Report 7 bulan yang lalu

    The Weeping Angels should never have been brought back after 'Blink'. The mystery of them was diminished the more they appeared, along with their fright factor. 'The Angels Take Manhattan' with that silly Statue of Liberty becoming one and the Cherub versions, just ruined them for me. Although the idea of these ancient alpha predators not being strictly corporeal and being more conceptual life forms was interesting, Steven Moffat never had the talent or the inclination to develop it properly and so, like the Daleks and the Cybermen, became less and less of a threat as his time as show runner progressed.
    So not only should the Weeping Angels not return, they really ought to have remained a one-off monster.

  • Max Farquhar
    Max Farquhar 7 bulan yang lalu

    I love how these are all david tenant villains, shows a lot about how good his run was.

  • Kieran Palmer
    Kieran Palmer 7 bulan yang lalu +1

    What about Enemies You WANT to come back? My vote is for the Krillitanes or The Reapers

  • Leon Kent
    Leon Kent 7 bulan yang lalu

    Lytton in original series. Being beaten to death by an overweight Cybercontroller kind of counts him out from coming back.

  • Aya
    Aya 7 bulan yang lalu

    the weeping angels shouldn't have been brought back :/

  • Ronan Phillips
    Ronan Phillips 7 bulan yang lalu

    I think with the flood they could have it as a sub-plot like the ice warriors are building a missile with the flood in it that they are going to launch towards Earth and the doctor has to stop it or redirect it

  • Rosie John
    Rosie John 7 bulan yang lalu +1

    For me, the scariest thing about the vashta narada was the skulls in the space suits talking with the voices of the person they'd killed.
    Something invisible lurking in shadows that leaves a only a skeleton (in under a minute) would be impossible unless somehow there was another library with all the books in the universe full of them.
    The Doctor said they exist on heaps of planets in small amounts and mentioned they eat roadkill - so we would not have a very dramatic storyline there lol
    The shadows would not be creepy at all if no one on Earth supposedly even notices their existance.
    What about going to the now empty library again to download a backup copy of River Song if a need arose? There's one idea. Not a great one given that she's appeared a few times away from the library anyway.

  • alex hope
    alex hope 7 bulan yang lalu +1

    The Empty Child entity?

  • alaster boneman
    alaster boneman 7 bulan yang lalu

    I think the vasnarderada could come back if for example someone tried using them as bio wepions and they got out of hand. Or you could do the old bass under attack plot from classic doctor who. Maybe have the twist being to stop a swarm from excaping into say the earth echo system. And eating everything. Maybe take a leaf out of the Titan doctor who books and have a small space station become infected with a swarm. Like bring back sat light five form 9s run for such a thing. Or a great idea flood vs vasnarderada swarm. Now tell me that isn't a great idea

  • Robin Gilliver
    Robin Gilliver 7 bulan yang lalu +1

    The Devil HAS to return.

  • WSM C
    WSM C 7 bulan yang lalu

    I think the Vasta Nerada can be used again. You can do a ship full of humans on their way to mine a planet that's full of them. Have them jettison the Tardis then you have a goal for The Doctor and episode's characters. I think you can do it without demystifying them if you resit making them talk again or have any sort of queen. Just them trying to get to a place through a planet full of them. I think you have a very different experience with them being outside. You can do an outrun the sunset sort of deal, setting camp with the lighting the miners brought, which the Vasta Nerada figure out how to break through on the 2nd or 3rd night.
    You got me thinking about the Beast now too. If he fell into a black hole them there could be an Omega type situation brewing of a very literal hell
    100% agree on the Midnight entity. I love that we don't know anything about what that was

  • Paul Rowlinson
    Paul Rowlinson 7 bulan yang lalu

    My god, you're boring

  • Liam Jenkins
    Liam Jenkins 7 bulan yang lalu

    Not the Lazarus monster

  • Liam Jenkins
    Liam Jenkins 7 bulan yang lalu

    The krillatanes need to return

  • Stephen Cooper
    Stephen Cooper 7 bulan yang lalu

    What would your thoughts on bringing back the Rani .from old who she would be great villian to bring back .her episodes were not the best not that bad.but the character was very like the master she deserves some justice done to her character in my opinion and she could be very dangerous and she was manipulative that could be great.

  • Stephen Cooper
    Stephen Cooper 7 bulan yang lalu

    The weeping angels are great and still terryfing in the sense of how they feed on your time potentially as dangerous as what the daleks are if they grew enough it's basically over.and the reference by rasillon to them suggests he was around when they were born.great video otherwise . respect your opinion but the angels are cool 😉

  • Sam Honed
    Sam Honed 7 bulan yang lalu

    No Pting? I'm disappointed...

  • Joe Carter
    Joe Carter 7 bulan yang lalu +1

    You should really listen to Big Finish vashta nerada stories in classic doctors, new monsters. Really good!

    • Council of Geeks
      Council of Geeks  7 bulan yang lalu +1

      I may eventually, and I should have pointed out I'm not against these characters showing up in novels, comics, or audio because the different media kind of demands a slightly different approach so it's not as inherently redundant.

  • koil rooberts
    koil rooberts 7 bulan yang lalu

    Okay this may be a big comment so prepare yourself: when it comes to the flood, I believe something like alien should be done. A space station orbiting Mars is collecting samples from Mars and one drop gets on board. And as for the Beast, he could return in a not traditional sense, such as a cult trying to bring him back and when they are seconds away from doing it the doctor stops them. Or it could be a series finale such as the beast escapes and terrorises the planet its on.

  • Kissfan96dr
    Kissfan96dr 7 bulan yang lalu

    one of the great things about Doctor going throughout all space and time is there is little need to bring back old villains. Only one I'd like to see return (that already isn't reoccurring) is the Black Guardian.

  • Kitty Wood
    Kitty Wood 7 bulan yang lalu

    I have an idea for how to reuse the Flood, though it is treading on a different pattern. It's the evil/stupid humans making use of something they don't understand, in this case the Flood, by forcing it to merge with humans. Or, for a return to Classic Who, not humans in either case.

  • TheTwistedToast
    TheTwistedToast 7 bulan yang lalu +1

    midnight is, in my opinion, the scariest doctor who episode

  • Andrew P. Roberts
    Andrew P. Roberts 7 bulan yang lalu

    I'd add the Boneless to this list

  • Jø the FanGirl
    Jø the FanGirl 8 bulan yang lalu

    I have 3

    The abzorboloff
    The villains in the Pompeii episode
    And the first one with the 13th Doctor with the teeth in his face

  • FireWing Phoenix
    FireWing Phoenix 8 bulan yang lalu

    i think another for this list is the empty child.

  • Richard Dangle
    Richard Dangle 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    Great. You just reminded me of all my favorite Dr Who episodes. So, if you excuse me, I'm going to re-watch the whole Tennant series

  • Addy 0302
    Addy 0302 8 bulan yang lalu

    Your prequel argument about a predetermined ending also applies to episodes centred around well-known historical events (such as the Rosa Parks episodes)

  • Fortnite Commanders WarRoom
    Fortnite Commanders WarRoom 8 bulan yang lalu

    The vasta rerada could return with good effect if the doctor found a way to extract River from the computer and went to retrieve her. The conflict of a return when the library is supposed to belong to them now. Or since the doctor explained the widespread fear of the dark is due to their presence one most worlds a different group could become active hunters having to find a way out when he can't rely on it having access to knowledge of him thus it wouldn't be intimidated like the first.

  • BigFatCat 15
    BigFatCat 15 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    I freaking love “the midnight entity”

  • Shadow Freak
    Shadow Freak 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    Notice that all of these villains were from the tenth Doctor’s run...

  • Semi Autømatic Trapdøør
    Semi Autømatic Trapdøør 8 bulan yang lalu +2

    I love how all these were Tennant's era just proves he had some of the best episodes ever

  • YeBoiPingu
    YeBoiPingu 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    Has anyone else noticed that all these villains were with David Tennant? This does prove why he is one of the most popular Doctors.

  • Hannah Rosey
    Hannah Rosey 8 bulan yang lalu

    Am I the only one who really doesn't like The Waters of Mars?

    • Hannah Rosey
      Hannah Rosey 8 bulan yang lalu

      @Council of Geeks it scared me more than the weeping angels did and that's saying something!

    • Council of Geeks
      Council of Geeks  8 bulan yang lalu

      Actually, I don't like it all that much either. It's fine, but I find it vastly overrated. But I know many people love it and I don't want the Flood coming back regardless.

  • Even Banks
    Even Banks 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    I swear the flood messed me up when I was 6

  • Anorak
    Anorak 8 bulan yang lalu

    Big point on the beast: He could be transported to a universe of anti-matter like Omega was when he was thrown into a black hole when the stasis halo on the Eurydice broke. And the use of his will allowing him to send creatures to capture the doctor. That is just what Omega did with his gell guards.

  • Red Potter
    Red Potter 8 bulan yang lalu

    Unpopular Opinion: I think the Silence were wayyyyyy overdone. I think they would have been much scarier and much cooler for like one or two stories, but they got really boring really quick once they became major plot points for the series. Not only did they get boring, I thought they were a little convoluted. I really love their premise, I think as villains they're really really cool and a really great use of dramatic irony as suspense, but they were overplayed almost Dalek-style.

  • Red Potter
    Red Potter 8 bulan yang lalu

    I've never really considered the possibility of bringing the Vashta Nerada back but as you were talking I started thinking about how the Vashta Nerada's motivation to protect their territory can be manipulated by another separate villain who, for example, might use their forest to create paper holiday decorations and distribute them throughout either a historical or modern London. The Doctor shows up, people are dying from mysterious causes, he figures out the missing link, the Mastermind is revealed.

  • Eddo Huson
    Eddo Huson 8 bulan yang lalu

    M8 it's really sad that you a matonsic tardis screwdriver thing

  • Gabriel Buse
    Gabriel Buse 8 bulan yang lalu

    Another great one time villain, the Dalek hybrid from Daleks in Manhattan.

  • slagar the cruel 85
    slagar the cruel 85 8 bulan yang lalu

    These villains characters can not be brought practical means. These our not the cyberman and exterminate exterminate there’s not legions of them with multiple ways to bring them back. I’m not going to spell there name wrong and get scolded in the comments but you know who I’m referring to if you seen enough of the show current our the original season with the first doctors:

  • the mad game boy
    the mad game boy 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    The midnight episode was the first episode ever saw

  • the mad game boy
    the mad game boy 8 bulan yang lalu

    Who imprisoned the Beast that might be a good story

  • the mad game boy
    the mad game boy 8 bulan yang lalu

    Time Lord Hunters it might be fun

  • the mad game boy
    the mad game boy 8 bulan yang lalu

    The Flood versus ice Warriors

  • Michael_Liddle
    Michael_Liddle 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    Zombies called The Flood *cough cough* Halo *cough cough*

  • WhiteWolf496
    WhiteWolf496 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    Never ever ever ever bring back the flood... they gave me nightmares for days... Noooo thank you

  • Pr1nce Charming
    Pr1nce Charming 8 bulan yang lalu +1

    The flood gave me nightmares as a kid

  • Doctor Batman
    Doctor Batman 8 bulan yang lalu

    I don’t think I’d want them to return, but you could bring back the Vashta Nerada but not as the villains. A race - maybe Humans - invade a Vashta Nerada planet for whatever reason and end up trying to exterminate the Vashta Nerada while the Docto
    R tried to keep peace... it it’d still take away from them.

  • george moore
    george moore 8 bulan yang lalu

    the thing with the beast is that it can be played as less of a singular entity than a creature born from the fear and imagination of mankind - it could reappear just as another societies idea of the satan and of evil in general imo. idk tho, what do other people think?

  • Erica Soto
    Erica Soto 8 bulan yang lalu

    The beast and the flood freaked me out the most, so I’m glad to never see them again.

  • Uther Teasdale
    Uther Teasdale 8 bulan yang lalu

    The evil Christmas tree should never come back

    • Uther Teasdale
      Uther Teasdale 8 bulan yang lalu

      Ok then the whisper men Should never return

    • Council of Geeks
      Council of Geeks  8 bulan yang lalu +1

      The title is "Great Doctor Who Villains," not bad seasonal joke weapons.

  • FuturesEnd
    FuturesEnd 8 bulan yang lalu

    I have no idea why anyone wants to see the Midnight entity again - it's like they don't realise what makes them so compelling.

  • A J Rodinsky
    A J Rodinsky 8 bulan yang lalu

    I think that if the Flood does come back, it should be as a bio weapon wielded by a recurring villain like the cybermen or the daleks.

  • Human Person
    Human Person 8 bulan yang lalu

    The tardis sound you use is highly annoying

  • A Voice Crying Out
    A Voice Crying Out 8 bulan yang lalu

    The family of blood can track people. In Avatar:the last airbender, they brought back a villain as a supporting character, all because her pet can track people from miles away, and it worked well.

  • Josh
    Josh 8 bulan yang lalu

    Actually, I'd like the doctor (maybe in an audio) to return to Midnight (the planet) and find that entity thing. That'd be interesting.

  • Josh
    Josh 8 bulan yang lalu

    They COULD bring the species that the family of blood were and do something with timelords or y'know that weird thing.

  • Augustus404
    Augustus404 8 bulan yang lalu

    I would guess that top of the list for Classic Who is Sutekh.
    Pyramids of Mars is a feature of the best Doctor Who stories ever and with good reason but it's so self contained that no attempt to reprise the central villain could ever work.
    In fact as The Doctor was so apparently overmatched by the antagonist and so narrowly averted total disaster any second story would only detract from the first

  • Depressed Robot llama
    Depressed Robot llama 8 bulan yang lalu

    The first 1 minute had nothing in it